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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 17, 2007 5:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: speaking of average joes

I have been playing guitar, bass, drums, keyboards and even trumpet for about 25 years and I can tell you that Tony Iomi has as much technically ability as Jerry. He is better than Jimmy Page who is the sloppiest axeman in history, unless you count Frank Zappa, who made up for it by being a compositional savant. While technical virtuosity was heavy over emphasized (shrapnel records) it is often ignored in place of the hook or flash appeal of catchy annoying songs that charts love. Black Sabbath have some great jams, being 'jam band' afficienados, I would think you would appreciate the numerous improv free from jams they break into in many of their tunes. Get over the satan thing and the biting off batheads, bla bla bla. Saying that metal bands have no melody or harmony is an ignorant statement. Open your ears and your mind. Just because some folks like to turn the drive knob up past 10 and like an occasional crunch in their tunes, doesn't make them some downs syndrome victim that sniffs glue. There is a raw power in a heavily overdriven e power chord some will never understand. Or you can listen to your own 3 chord masterpiece like "I know you rider" and other monotonous simplistic softer, jazzier, psychadelic versions of iron man.

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Poster: latebutdeadicated Date: Sep 17, 2007 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: did you really compare Tony to Jerry?

"Tony Iomi has as much technically ability as Jerry"

NoiseCollector,

Are you serious? I have avoided joining this latest foray regarding Black Sabbath, because I actually enjoy some of their earlier efforts.

But to compare Tony to Jerry is insane. Sure TI can rip up a heavy jam and drive the band, but Jerry's playing is soulful, imaginative, driven, groovy, psychadelic, wild, forceful, foregiving........and heaven sent. I know there are more adjectives out there to describe JG's style and grace, but you get my point.

You don't have to take a jab at Jerry to defend Tony.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Sep 17, 2007 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did you really compare Tony to Jerry?

I'll give you the "technical" part, but not the soulful part. There are probably thousands of other guitar players out there that are as technically proficient as Garcia ever was, but lack the emotion and melodic abilities. Then there's the signature tone. How many guitar players can you identify from their sound alone?

Tony Iomi has his place in the world, and it's nowhere close to Jerry's place....they don't compare. apples and oranges.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 17, 2007 1:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did you really compare Tony to Jerry?

That's what I said in another post or this one. I was never comparing me to anyone and I don't consider myself a phenominal guitar player either, I only practice about and hour a week and I was a bass player, practice even less these days unfortunatly but that is besides the point. I forget what the point was due to some sativa that has seriously interfered with my day. Oh yeah, never mind.

As for the digs on me, shit... no worries, shit burned my finger.

Seriously, Jerry is Better overall than Iomi and does get way more into jazzy interkey transgressions that are more complex then the standard blues scale riffs of the digitally impaired brit. When it comes to technical ability (scales, arpeggios, picking speeds) they are very close, sorry I rate musicians that way. They are apple and orange obviously when it comes to style but both do various tempo songs and can pull some decent speed runs, triplets, etc. But nothing like an allan holdsworth or paco de lucia, al dimeola, etc.

Now as I said before the whole guitar hero dualling hairspray meglomanic breed of instrumental neo classical metal prodigies of the mid 80's to the mid 90's produced music that is spiritual dead and sounds like olympic guitar competitions for 8 finger hammer medals. There is no song, just foundations for soloist's to show off. So stricly speaking technical ability which I view very subjectively, does not indicate popularity. That is why someone who is as technically proficient on the fretboard as Jerry who has no groove or soul could not compare. It's the same with Tony, well he only plays blues and minor key stuff in lower registers and wore the girls biker jacket (remember the leather jackets with the fringe?) No honorable dude would wear the fringe, man.

Anyway, sabbath has inspired and influenced countless bands and are what they are. The dead is something diferent but you can't force it on people man. It's like you are at an airport in a sheet handing out flowers and trying to burn our ozzy terry cloth wrist bands that you used to wear to play your airdrums with and by the way, I was air guitar champion of south jersey in 1988... undefeated. My metallimullet blew out the t tops of my firebird as I blasted cassettes of my own band. Beat that.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 17, 2007 8:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did you really compare Tony to Jerry?

Funny though how some things are off limits and some things are "ok" to say. They both get old after a while but both have their respective niches as well. If you want to here some guitar work that never sold one album but is not too shabby see this. Click the blotter...

<http://www.archive.org/details/Path_to_Sunshine>http://www.archive.org/download/Path_to_Sunshine/Path_to_Sunshine.JPG>

Yes you have to wait a minute or two for the guitar work...

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Poster: latebutdeadicated Date: Sep 17, 2007 8:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did you really compare Tony to Jerry?

NC,

I am no music snob, but that was not worth the time. Unless the joke was that the guitar work you mentioned started at 4:20. HAHAHAHAHA

Some interesting licks, but that is not what makes great or even good music.

Go listen to some Mike Stern if you need to hear talented guitar work that never earned a dime of Rock & Roll $$$$.

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Poster: mreyus Date: Sep 17, 2007 5:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: speaking of average joes

noisecollecter is a genius.

he has it figured out, the rest of you maniacs need to wake up.
believe it or not, there is great sound out there besides

the best garage band ever.
wow, noisecollecter, couldnt have said it better myself

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